|Richard GUISE (1757 - 1821)|
|soldier, sergeant in 102 rgt/NSW Rum Corps, grazier|
|Children||Self + Spouses||Parents||Grandparents||Greatgrandparents|
Hannah GUISE (1793 - 1793)
Richard GUISE (1794 - 1855)
William GUISE (1797 - 1850)
Elizabeth GUISE (1799 - 1879)
|Richard GUISE (1757 - 1821)
Elizabeth (GUISE) (1762 - 1853)
|b. 1757 at Lorraine, France|
|m. aft 1789 Elizabeth (GUISE) (1762 - 1853) at England|
|d. 16 Apr 1821 at Liverpool, New South Wales, Australia aged 64|
|Cause of Death:|
|Hannah GUISE (1793 - 1793)|
|Richard GUISE (1794 - 1855)|
|William GUISE (1797 - 1850)|
|Elizabeth GUISE (1799 - 1879)|
|Martha GUISE ( - 1884), George GUISE (1823 - 1839), Esther GUISE (1834 - 1922), William James GUISE (1839 - 1922), Richard GUISE (1816 - 1844), Elizabeth Jane GUISE (1818 - 1876), William Charles GUISE (1823 - 1853), Emily Amelia Australia GUISE (1824 - 1904), Hannah GUISE (1825 - 1891), Jessie Augusta GUISE (1826 - 1858), Henry Eyre Cyril GUISE (1827 - 1845), Mary Ann GUISE (1832 - 1855), Ellen GUISE (1844 - ), William GUISE (1845 - )|
|Events in Richard GUISE (1757 - 1821)'s life|
|1757||Richard GUISE was born||Lorraine, France||6|
|14 Oct 1789||32||Joined Royal Grenadier Horse Guards||England||10|
|aft 1789||32||Married Elizabeth (GUISE) (aged 27)||England||10|
|29 Jun 1792||35||Immigration||Sydney, New South Wales, Australia||Note 2||6, 10|
|May 1793||36||Birth of daughter Hannah GUISE||Sydney, New South Wales, Australia||6|
|24 May 1793||36||Death of daughter Hannah GUISE||Sydney, New South Wales, Australia||V17931021 2A/1793||6|
|27 Jul 1794||37||Birth of son Richard GUISE||Sydney, New South Wales, Australia||Note 3||6|
|27 Jul 1797||40||Birth of son William GUISE||Sydney, New South Wales, Australia||V1796561 1A/1796||6, 10|
|1799||42||Birth of daughter Elizabeth GUISE||Sydney, New South Wales, Australia||V1799856 1A/1799||6, 10|
|16 Apr 1821||64||Richard GUISE died||Liverpool, New South Wales, Australia||V18215038 2B/1821||6|
|Note 1: to England at time of French Revolution|
|Note 2: per Atlantic, corporal in 102 Rgt/NSW Rum Corps|
|Note 3: V1794372 1A/1794, Quise
V1794291 4/1794, Guies
From David Cartwright "Prior to his arrival in the Colony (date and ship unknown) he was a private in the Horse Grenadier Guards from 1784 to 1788 before joining the New South Wales Corps in 1789.
These points, plus the circumstantial evidence, makes it more likely that he was English not French. The only mention of a French connection is from the distant memory of the centenarian, Dame Mary Gilmore, whose recollection only relates to the granddaughter of Richard, Elizabeth Jane Lintott (nee Guise) who was born and educated in the Colony. Unfortunately it appears that this scrap of information has been the source of an error that's been perpetuated by various authors including Gwendoline Wilson and Errol Lee Scarlett. This story is then continued by high school students whose history essays end up on the Internet! Beyond his time in the Horse Grenadier Guards, Richard's past also is a mystery."
fled to England from France; said to be connected to De Guise family there
David Cartwright points out the many inconsisencies in the following accout from Monaro Pioneers. It should all be regarded with a grain of salt. I've kept it because it is an example of the stories that are concocted in all families.
Richard de Guise joined the NSW Corps as a Sergeant with John Macarthur and Charles Throsby on the Second Fleet. He resigned from the NSW Corps in 1809 and was given a land grant in the Casula district.
Richard Guise [ De Guise ] senior was born in France in 1757 . He fled France in 1879 when the Bastille was stormed during the French Revolution. ‘Marie Antoinette and Louis’s’ escape failed when they where recognised by the owner of the inn they had rested at and their subsequent arrest was made at Versailles on the 15th October 1789. Richard was a relation of the French Royal Family and descendant of Mary Queen of Scots [Mary De Guise]. Richard was also a cousin of Marie Antoinette as her mother ‘Maria Theresa’ Queen of Austria had married ‘ Francis 111 Duke of Lorraine who abdicated from the French throne on marriage. On escape from France Richard attested to join the English military on the 14th October 1789.Hoping maybe the King and Queen of England would attempt to save the King and Queen of France. Richard was placed into the Royal Grenadier Horse Guards as a Private. [Richards’s parentage is under current investigation].
As a member of the Guise Family of the ‘ House of Lorraine ‘ he held the title of Prince of France prior to 1789. The “ Cross of Lorraine “ was a Guise Heraldic Symbol and was used by Mary Queen of Scots 100 years before. The cross is found on the Guise Family crypt at St Johns in Canberra. They where known as “ Black Cats “, and where closely linked with the Stuarts. Later during the Second World War the French Resistance and the Free French used this as its symbol against the German Swastika. Richard married Elizabeth Armstrong while in England, Elizabeth was described as ‘ a English young lady of character ‘ Her parents strongly opposed the marriage and resulted in Elizabeth and Richard eloping to NSW. In 1791 he joined the New South Wales Corps [ 102 Regiment of Foot ] as a Corporal. On arrival in Sydney he was quickly promoted to the rank of Sargent and served along side John Macarthur and Charles Throsby. Later to become the 73rd Regiment.
Richard had three children who where all born in the colony. Richard junior 1794, William 1796 and Elizabeth 1799.
In 1809 Richard received a wine and spirit licence in Sydney Town at his premises called the ‘Jolly Sailor’ in Kent St until 1811 when it was offered for sale. He purchased land at Bankstown and later at Minto where he built his homestead, which he called ‘Casula’. Charles Throsby lived on the adjoining property and John Macarthur further south at Camden. Richard grazed cattle on his property and died of a liver complaint on the 16th of April 1821.His grave is the oldest in the old Liverpool Cemetary.
The Guise Public School at Macquarie Fields was named in honour of him. The homestead ‘ Casula’ was demolished by developers and sadly no longer exists.
|6. Type: Book, Abbr: Queanbeyan Register, Title: Biographical register of Canberra and Queanbeyan: from the district to the Australian Capital Territory 1820-1930, Auth: Peter Proctor, Publ: The Heraldry & Genealogical Society of Canberra, Date: 2001|
|- Reference = 129 (Death)|
|- Reference = 129 (Name, Notes)|
|- Reference = 129 (Immigration)|
|- Reference = 129 (Birth)|
|10. Type: Web Page, Abbr: Elizabeth Guise - A Canberra Pioneer, Title: Elizabeth Guise - A Canberra Pioneer, Auth: Snowy Haiblen, Dickson College 2006, Date: 2006, Locn: www.dicksonc.act.edu.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0005/55409/CLIO_Aust_Hist_Elizabeth_Guise.pdf|
|- Reference = 1 (Emigration)|
|- Reference = 1 (Military Service)|
|- Reference = 1 (Immigration)|
|- Reference = (Marriage)|
|18. Type: E-mail Message, Abbr: e-mails general pool, Title: e-mails general pool|
|- Reference = David Cartwright 22-9-09 (Name, Notes)|